Modding the Marshall Ms-2 / Ms-4 amp:
This is a modification tutorial for the marshall ms-4 micro-amp.
This little (and quite cheap) amp can produce a unique marshall sound at high volumes,
especially through a guitar cab (1x12", 2x12", 4x12", 8-16 Ohm)!
Mods!
First of all, you ll need to open the amp by unscrewing the 8 (!) screws in its back.
Then, remove the out Jack and then remove the amp board which is held in place by the 4 knobs of the front panel.
-Cab out Jack!
The "out" stereo headphones Jack could be easily turned into a "guitar cab" out. All you have to do is to place a jumper across the "R12" marked resistor(the only resistor of the "out" board).
In order to connect the cab's mono cable to the stereo output jack, you should slide the cable's tip only halfway in the Jack. This will mute the internal speakers, providing a "mono" output signal to the cab.
Be careful! Don't connect any headphones or pedals/amps on the "cab output", the ms4's output is loud enough(up to 2W) to destroy them!
-More gain!
You could modify the ms4's amp board to produce more gain! All you have to do is placing 2 jumpers across the "R1" and "R8" marked resistors of the board.
An extra cap could be used in parallel with the 470pF cap(across pins 1 and 4 of the IC/chip) to reduce the "nasty" highs(that's an EQ issue).
In case you don't need the gain pot, you could put an extra jumper in parallel with the R4 resistor for even more gain (Hard rockin'!). The amount of gain is controlled by the volume pot in this case.
These mods will give the amp more gain at full output volume.
But, what if the output volume is a little bit too much for bedroom use? Then,...
-Built-in Attenuator!
You could put a built-in attenuator in the amp, to keep the volume low at maximum gain settings!
You 'll have to cut the red wire that connects the "O1" pin of the amp board and the "O1" pin of the out Jack board.Cut it in the middle and strip the 2 cut ends of the wire. Solder the ends to a 4,7kOhm,1W pot (lugs 2 and 3). It would be really good to connect a 47Ohm, 1W resistor to pins "O1" and "O2" of the amp board to serve as a Load and keep the IC's temperature low.
Simple alternative attenuator:
Then, mount the pot on the plastic chassis of the amp, close the amp and you 're ready to play!
Here's a pic of the mods:
Now, I can plug my MS-4 to a 1X12" Randall cab and rock out!
It's loud!
MS-2 amp:
The same mods could be applied to the marshall ms-2 amp.The only difference between the MS2 and MS4 is the extra speaker of the ms4 and its gain pot (which is constantly set to max. on the ms-2 amp).
Here's the MS-2 amp schematic for reference:
http://i31.tinypic.com/rcq89j.png
AUX input mod for the ms-2/ms-4 amplifier:
The "auxiliary audio input" mod is now posted as a schematic diagram below. You could build an ultra simple audio mixer to add an auxiliary audio input for the ms-2. You could also use this aux input to connect a 2nd guitar, an external stomp-box, an mp3 player or a microphone on the ms-2.
The mixer consists of a transistor, a couple resistors/caps and two level pots (guitar/aux).
If using an mp3 player, keep the aux in level low to ensure the music is not totally overdriven due to the ultra low headroom of the ms-2 750mW power amp.
The schematic:
(click to enlarge)
Rock on!
This is a modification tutorial for the marshall ms-4 micro-amp.
This little (and quite cheap) amp can produce a unique marshall sound at high volumes,
especially through a guitar cab (1x12", 2x12", 4x12", 8-16 Ohm)!
Mods!
First of all, you ll need to open the amp by unscrewing the 8 (!) screws in its back.
Then, remove the out Jack and then remove the amp board which is held in place by the 4 knobs of the front panel.
-Cab out Jack!
The "out" stereo headphones Jack could be easily turned into a "guitar cab" out. All you have to do is to place a jumper across the "R12" marked resistor(the only resistor of the "out" board).
In order to connect the cab's mono cable to the stereo output jack, you should slide the cable's tip only halfway in the Jack. This will mute the internal speakers, providing a "mono" output signal to the cab.
Be careful! Don't connect any headphones or pedals/amps on the "cab output", the ms4's output is loud enough(up to 2W) to destroy them!
-More gain!
You could modify the ms4's amp board to produce more gain! All you have to do is placing 2 jumpers across the "R1" and "R8" marked resistors of the board.
An extra cap could be used in parallel with the 470pF cap(across pins 1 and 4 of the IC/chip) to reduce the "nasty" highs(that's an EQ issue).
In case you don't need the gain pot, you could put an extra jumper in parallel with the R4 resistor for even more gain (Hard rockin'!). The amount of gain is controlled by the volume pot in this case.
These mods will give the amp more gain at full output volume.
But, what if the output volume is a little bit too much for bedroom use? Then,...
-Built-in Attenuator!
You could put a built-in attenuator in the amp, to keep the volume low at maximum gain settings!
You 'll have to cut the red wire that connects the "O1" pin of the amp board and the "O1" pin of the out Jack board.Cut it in the middle and strip the 2 cut ends of the wire. Solder the ends to a 4,7kOhm,1W pot (lugs 2 and 3). It would be really good to connect a 47Ohm, 1W resistor to pins "O1" and "O2" of the amp board to serve as a Load and keep the IC's temperature low.
Simple alternative attenuator:
Then, mount the pot on the plastic chassis of the amp, close the amp and you 're ready to play!
Here's a pic of the mods:
Now, I can plug my MS-4 to a 1X12" Randall cab and rock out!
It's loud!
MS-2 amp:
The same mods could be applied to the marshall ms-2 amp.The only difference between the MS2 and MS4 is the extra speaker of the ms4 and its gain pot (which is constantly set to max. on the ms-2 amp).
Here's the MS-2 amp schematic for reference:
http://i31.tinypic.com/rcq89j.png
AUX input mod for the ms-2/ms-4 amplifier:
The "auxiliary audio input" mod is now posted as a schematic diagram below. You could build an ultra simple audio mixer to add an auxiliary audio input for the ms-2. You could also use this aux input to connect a 2nd guitar, an external stomp-box, an mp3 player or a microphone on the ms-2.
The mixer consists of a transistor, a couple resistors/caps and two level pots (guitar/aux).
If using an mp3 player, keep the aux in level low to ensure the music is not totally overdriven due to the ultra low headroom of the ms-2 750mW power amp.
The schematic:
(click to enlarge)
Rock on!
Any one seen the schematic for the Marshall MG2FX amp?
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήPlease send me the link,
Thanks,
cyberocker1@gmail.com
Hello Cyberocker!
ΔιαγραφήThe mg2fx is a quite a new amp and I didn't spot the schematic yet. It's quite different that the MS-2 and I suppose the circuit of the mg2fx looks more like the preamp circuit of the mg10fx. The poweramp could be a small class-D 2W board (you can find such small poweramps on ebay for a few dollars).
Cheers,
Thanos
Hello Thanos,
ΔιαγραφήThanks for posting the ms-2/ms-4 mods... I've done the cab out mod on a 5
watt copy of the ms-2 (search pg-5 amp on ebay) and it worked out great. I
love the overdriven tone the amp produces when the volumes up, but it's way
too loud for home use through a 1x12 cab... I can't get past about 4 on the
vol dial without my wife getting upset.
Anyway, I'm keen to have a crack at the Attenuator mod above and I've got a
couple of questions as my knowledge of electronics is limited.
Can I use a 47ohm 5 watt resistor found here
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RR3266&keywords=47ohm&form=KEYWORD .
Also, does the resistor attach to the out+ and out- pins on the board?
Circuit board pics here:
https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVqQ1ZxZy84NVZDaDhUQw
Finally, will this Pot do the trick:
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RP3608
Thanks for any advice you can offer, it would be a really big help.
Cheers,
Leigh
Hello!
ΔιαγραφήNice little amp you've got there and it's a 5 watter! A classic guitar or amp pot won't do the trick as it can't handle 5W of power... You could connect an L-pad attenuator (a giant pot basicaly) at the output of your amp to reduce the volume:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/L-Pad-LPAD-Speaker-Volume-Control-Impedance-matching-8ohms-mono-15-RMS-40W-Peak-/300622139651?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fe79d103#ht_621wt_1076
If you think an L-pad is not an affordable solution, then you could build a diy switchable attenuator using a power rated resistor and a switch. Just connect a 5W/20ohm resistor in series with the speaker(solder one end at the OUT+ pin and the other end at the +speaker terminal). To make it switchable, solder a switch in parallel to the 5W resistor:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8986/ms2attenuator.jpg
Thanks Thanos. I ended up going with an on-off-on switch and ran it 47 ohm resistor, 100 ohm resistor and unattentuated in the 3 switch positions. It worked a treat and ran less than $5 in parts. I'm a little shocked how good this little amp sounds through a 1x12 cab, both clean and dirty, and it's excellent to be able to crank the volume/gain without rattling the windows. Blogs such as yours are a godsend for diy noobs looking to try something new. Thanks again.
ΔιαγραφήI have the MS-2 and am looking to change the speaker in it.
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήI found a speaker that I would like to use here: https://www.elfa.se/elfa3~se_en/elfa/init.do?item=30-375-04&toc=21626
It is 5W and the current one is only 0.8W so would it even work? Is there any way I can pump up the wattage going to the speaker as I assume the volume will be very low if it does work?
Thanks for any help you can give me :-)
Hello Gustaf!
ΔιαγραφήChanging the stock speaker will affect the sound but it'not the best idea. In any case, the 5W (or more W), 8ohm speaker will work but there might be a volume drop because we don't know the sensitivity of the 5W speaker.
Volume is better meisured in dBs(relative volume/sound pressure). The stock speaker is quite efficient @ 90dB/1W/1m (its sensitivity!). If you put an 80dB hi-fi speaker in there, you will get only half the volume the amp had... If you put an 100dB speaker, you will gain twice the volume!
I got the best results in terms of tone and volume by connecting the ms-2 to a 2X12" guitar cab with >100dB speaker sensitivity. It was loud! Pretty louder, with more bass and less treble/fuzz than the internal speaker. Even a 1X10" or 1X8" 93-100dB guitar speaker will be better.
I recently bought a 10"/100W celestion BL-100 speaker from thomann for 18Euros. I connected it to a 5W amp and it worked nicely with lots of extra volume!
it is possible to add a line-in for playing along a backing track?
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήHello, It would be possible to add a cd input but you need to wire a "mixer" circuit inside the amp. The inputs of the mixer should be the center lug of the 50K vol pot(the guitar preamp out) and the CD in jack. The output of this mixer could be then connected to pin number 2 of the KIA power amp chip.
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήHere's a mixer circuit:
http://www.eleccircuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/simple-audio-mixer-circuit-with-fet-2n3819.jpg
http://www.muzique.com/schem/mixer.gif
How does the first circuit wire into the MS2, Audio-in is a feature I really want But not sure how to wire it into the MS2. Many thanks!
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήHello Ted,
ΔιαγραφήThe "aux audio in" mod is now posted as a schematic diagram above. You have to create an ultra simple audio mixer to add an auxiliary audio input for the ms-2 and use it to jam along with your mp3/cd player.
The mixer is just a transistor with two level pots (guitar/aux).
Keep the audio in level low to ensure the music is not overdriven due to the ultra low headroom of the ms-2 amp.
You oould also use this aux input to connect a 2nd guitar or microphone on the ms-2.
Hello Thanos,
ΔιαγραφήThe "aux audio in" mod is mono right? Could it moded for a stereo aux audio in so ita can be used for music playback from a stereo source like a smartphone or an mp3 player
Hello John,
ΔιαγραφήThanks for reading my blog. The aux in is mono simply because the power amp is mono and there's only one speaker. You can certainly connect a phone /mp3 player to it. However, if want to listen to both channels of an mp3 file (left and right ) , you can always build a simple stereo to mono converter circuit and connect its output to the aux in of the modified ms2.Check it out; https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/geekslutz-forum/246857d1311841872-mono-stereo-passively-help-sought-stereo-mono-passive.jpg
Yours, Thanos
Hello, and thanks for posting the mods they seem awesome and I can't wait to do them !
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήBut there 's something I don't understand. When you write :
"Solder the ends to a 4,7kOhm,1W pot (lugs 2 and 3). It would be really good to connect a 47Ohm, 1W resistor to pins "O1" and "O2" of the amp board"
You mean the result of the mod is adding the pot AND one resistor between "O1" and "O2" right ? These are not different mods ?
Thanks
Hello!
ΔιαγραφήYes, these are two different mods!
The 4,7k Ohm resistor acts as an attenuator. If you decide to install the 4,7K attenuator, you could improve the circuit by placing the 47ohm "Load" resistor as stated above. The 47ohm resistor acts as a virtual load for the IC power amp when the attenuator is turned ON.
Cheers,
Thanos
Hi !!! I have a MS2... in this scheme http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VuFNYQK52XE/TAi_l6o-J7I/AAAAAAAAARk/3KRThCRfahA/s1600/MS_2+schematic.png wich ones are R12 - R1 and R8 ?
ΑπάντησηΔιαγραφήThanks in advance
Hello! The components are marked on the PCB of your amp! If you open it up, you'll see them.
ΔιαγραφήI remember that R12 is the 510R one next to the phones jack. R1 is the 1K resistor right next to the guitar input jack. R8 must be the 560R cathode resistor of C3198 transistor.
Cheers