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30 Σεπ 2012

Laney LC15 Marshall Mod!

   Here is the Laney LC15 combo. It' s nice little 15W tube combo with one channel and a bright switch. It has a 10" speaker, 3 band EQ, Volume, Gain controls. A friend of mine turned the lc15 combo to a head and then he asked me if we could modify the circuit of the amp.
  So what's wrong with this amp? Well, not much but the competition is now fierce in the tube amp world. The lc15 doesn't have an Fx loop, it doesn't have 2 channels, no reverb and no stand-by switch. The fx loop is a feature that we should definitely add if we are to modify this amp. (The LC15R model has reverb plus an fx loop...).
  But what about the qualities of the LC15 amp? To start with, the LC15 shares almost the same preamp circuit with the mighty JCM800 Marshall 2203 amp! That's amazing and you can tell that there is something "marshall-ish" in the lc15 when you press the bright switch or turn the gain all the way up! You get a smooth and creamy classic overdrive. The differences between the jcm800 and the lc15 preamp are minor and so I decided to make it sound like a true Marshall!
  The Marshall mod is easy but it needs some skills as some if the components of the lc15 are SMD(surface mounted tiny bits...).
  First I replaced C3 and C4 with a C=22nF capacitor. This capacitor could be a 10nF for less bass and a smoother overdrive. Then, I soldered two 470pF capacitors, one across the legs of the R7 resistor and one across the legs of the R11. This gives you a bright boost.
  The final step of the jcm mod is to replace the R10 cathode resistor of Valve1 with a 4kOhm(=4000ohm) resistor. You can use a 4700ohm or even a 3,3k=3300ohm one(3,3k for more gain). The JCM800 preamp is now ready! Just turn up the gain and listen to the overdrive!

 The original Laney LC15 schematic:
http://www.freeinfosociety.com/electronics/schematics/audio/laneylc15.pdf

 The JCM 800 Master Vol. schematic: (open in new tab for full size pic)

The modified laney lc/jcm schematic:



Fx loop mod:
  To add an fx loop to this (or any) little combo you need two stereo jacks, a 100k resistor and a 100nF capacitor. The fx send and return jacks will be mounted on the amp chassis.
  The circuit is simple enough and it is placed between the master volume and the phase inverted tube stage in the signal chain. I just placed a 100nF capacitor before the send jack and replaced the R18 resistor with a 100kOhm one.
   See the original schematic: (open in new tab)



 And the here's schematic with the fx loop added:


Note: the Lc15 can be found used in various shops, sites and eBay but if you want something new, check out the newest laney tube amps such as this 12R model with 12" speaker and classic British circuitry.

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  1. Hi..
    When you did this mod the clean channel reamians the same?
    Or it crunches earlier?

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    1. Hello and thanks for reading my blog!
      Yes, the clean channel crunches a bit earlier but there is still plenty of headroom

      Cheers,
      Thanos

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  2. Hi,
    This tutorial and You blog is fantastic.
    For LC15 mod - can You tell me the voltage rating of caps and resistors that You used?
    Also, did You need to discharge all capacitors before starting mod?
    Thank You
    Damian

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    1. Hello and thank you for your comment!
      Yes, I always let the amp stay off the power grid for a couple of hours and check the voltage of the large electrolytic power caps before I proceed. You could force-discharge the power caps by connecting a 10w/10K resistor across them and measure their DC voltage as it goes down. Safety first!

      The replacement capacitors and resistors I used where rated at 600Volts DC minimum.

      Cheers, Thanos

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    2. Thank You Thanos.
      What is Your opinion about FX Loop. Does this mod work well? Can You connect delay pedal etc?
      Thx

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    3. You are welcome! I did not perform the Fx loop mod myself. It's technically not a mod since it's an added circuit designed by Laney for the LC15R model. The fx loop is good for modulation type effects (delay, chorus) and the lc15r sounds Ok with effects.
      Cheers, Thanos

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    4. Thanks again for Your answer! One more question, if I may: after the mod I have fuzzy sound (sounds like hi gain fuzz) coming from amp - it is mostly when I increase Volume. Amp is not louder but getting unpleasant fuzz tone. Since volume is responsible for that I assume it might be preamp tube that. Do You think that FX loop mod or modyfying the preamp could do that?
      Again, thanks for Your great support!

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    5. Hi Thanos, please disregard my previous question. I checked power tubes and found that V4 tube was dead. When I swapped V4 with V5 tubes amp started to sound properly. Of course I need to replace both power tubes at the same time. Do You know maybe how to bias them?
      Again, great thanks for You fantastic site and great support.
      Sincerelay

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    6. Hello! Yes, both output tubes have to be replaced with a matched set in order to get the best tone possible and the most stable bias setting. The bias can be set via the bias pot. Laney suggests that you measure -11.5V of negative bias voltage between R37/R35 in reference to ground. However, the best way would be to measure bias current (mA) with a bias probe(tube socket) for each tube: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bias-Tool-Tester-for-EL84-6BQ5-tube-amp-amplifier-9-pin-probe-MADE-IN-THE-USA/232695767868?epid=1756076732&hash=item362dbfa33c:g:chwAAOxy0rZRF3FO

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    7. Check this page out for the EL84 tubes and a plate voltage approx. 300V : http://www.tedweber.com/webervst/tubes1/calcbias.htm

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    8. Hi Thanos, I am trying to analyze fx loop mod vs lc15r schematics and I am curious about adding 100n cap before fx send and changing rf from 220k to 100k after fx return. Couldn't we simply add just two jacks without this cap and change rf resistor? I am learning this stuff and I reaaly appreciate Your feedback. Thx

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    9. Hello! The 100nF capacitor is used to block DC voltage that may be present at this point. A lower value capacitor would roll-off bass a bit (e.g. 47nF). The lc15r has no dc voltage present at the send/return jacks assuming the +/-15V supply voltages are fully symmetrical. Adding a 220nF cap to the lc15r send jack might be a good idea for the safety of external pedals. The 220K resistor is reduced to 100K to compensate for the lack of the U1B tl072 opamp that multiplies the level of the return signal by a factor of approx. 2,2.

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    10. Wow! Again thx for support! One more question: wouldn't be better to leave Rf=100k as You suggest but add 120k to the Fx send - return bypass line (red color wire shown on Your mod schematics) that will work only when Fx loop will not be used? In this case when Fx loop is not used Rf will be 220k as original and when fx loop will be used Fx loop will be 100k. What do You think?

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    11. Yes, you could do that in order to keep the loop section of the amp as stock as possible.

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